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Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2010.11.29 20:22:00 - [1] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Not sure what all you are talking about considering I own the source. My name was Neo in several former lives. Ray is way off anyways, its several trillion not several hundred billion. This is the part where a legal hero steps up and tells you you're about to face a class-action lawsuit
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2010.12.29 11:08:00 - [2] Originally by: Kalrand Your money was stolen about a year ago, and the people in this thread haven't realized that they are just being trolled yet. This. People, if you want to pursue this any further, your only option is some kind of consumer rights group. Nothing in-game is going to help you now.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2010.12.29 20:33:00 - [3] A better approach might be to contact VISA or Mastercard. People pay their subscription by credit/debit card, and most of these companies offer a guarantee/insurance for internet purchases. If you are defrauded or sold goods by misrepresentation, they will refund your payment and blacklist the company. What CCP's scamming policy amounts to is this - you pay for a service, they allow another customer to steal the service you've paid for. If you went into a book shop, purchased a book and then the shop allowed another, non-paying customer to steal it from you, they wouldn't get away with it. The fact that it's a game shouldn't be an excuse - when real money changes hands, you are entitled to the service you paid for, at face value. Being stolen from then told it's a great gameplay experience doesn't really cut any ice.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2010.12.29 20:48:00 - [4] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Liberty Eternal The fact that it's a game shouldn't be an excuse - when real money changes hands, you are entitled to the service you paid for, at face value. Being stolen from then told it's a great gameplay experience doesn't really cut any ice. The only thing paying CCP allows is to connect to their server. Again I will mention that CCP owns all ingame items. How can it be fraud if you don't own ISK? They also sell PLEX, not just subscriptions. When a customer purchases a product/service, there is a reasonable expectation that they will be able to enjoy the goods/service they have paid for. It can be considered mis-selling to allow customer A to purchase a product or service which the company then allows customer B to steal. In the UK, customer A has a right to be protected from this kind of behaviour. I do know from my experience in sales that VISA will come down like a ton of bricks on companies that misrepresent or defraud customers over the internet.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2010.12.29 21:13:00 - [5] Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 29/12/2010 21:14:05 I'm not sure that argument can hold up, because customers who purchase PLEX with real cash do so with the expectation that they can use it to purchase in-game currency. That is the difference between PLEX and normal subscription charges - a difference that is clear and easily recognised. Now, if PLEX is not in fact fulfilling this service, then why sell it? Either it is a real product, in which case you are entitled to enjoy it, or else it is a non-service or non-product. Selling a non-service for real cash is the very definition of deception in sales. You can't sell a non-service for real money, nor can you appear to sell one service when in fact the service is not going to be provided in accordance with the face-value, reasonable expectations that the paying customer has. So I think VISA and Mastercard should block all PLEX transactions, but not the subscription transaction. There is no requirement to have two products, if they both provide the same service anyway. Edit: typo
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2010.12.29 23:31:00 - [6] There was nothing stupid about my argument. Although naturally, the people doing the stealing will have a different opinion to those who are stolen from. I for one am sick of reading these endless scam threads, just like most other people here. If CCP want to allow scamming, they should pay for it out of their own resources. It's not ethical to drag hundreds of innocent and unsuspecting customers into these scams and have them parted with their money. It is probably not legal either - it's about time something real was done about it and the people responsible [both CCP and the scammers] were held accountable for their actions in the real World.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2010.12.30 00:00:00 - [7] Originally by: RAW23 No. Why the hell should people be held responsible for ingame actions in the real world? I have a strong dislike for scammers but I'm glad that scamming is allowed in EVE as it adds to the depth and flavour of the game. It would be nice if CCP could introduce some mechanics to make life a bit more cumbersome for scammers as I think they get things a bit too easy at the moment but I don't see much merit in your arguments on this point. This is different to a free game, or to a subscription-only game, because some [ie one, PLEX] of the in-game services are paid for. A Casino in Las Vegas provides "just games" but you can't scam or steal in them without getting busted. So at what point do we make the transition from "monopoly money" game to "real-money" game? When money changes hands, and when hundreds of customers are scammed by people working for possible real-World financial gain, then you have motive, means and victim. Crime 101
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.01.02 18:08:00 - [8] Originally by: Zenthes So are there still payouts or did I miss out. I haven't read this whole tread. Yes, 95% of customers have been paid out now. You'll need to evemail Ray personally if you want to get your payment now though.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.01.06 07:28:00 - [9] Take this thread with a pinch of salt It's basically a trollthread/scamgloat, so treat it with the contempt it deserves. Your isk and the profits derived from your isk were probably sold off on ebay a long time ago.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:19:00 - [10] lol - 2 years to make a decision that a competent person would have made in 2 minutes

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